BoC deletion reason? November 25, 2007 10:36 AM Subscribe
Which guideline did the BoC post violate?
Cortex's deletion reason for removing this post is given as a "stuntish abuse of the guidelines". I checked the guidelines, which say:
"A good post to MetaFilter is something that meets the following criteria: most people haven't seen it before, there is something interesting about the content on the page, and it might warrant discussion from others."
The BoC post seems to meet all three, iss not newsfilter, is not axe-grindy, and is not offensive content. The post description is taken from a lyric from one of their songs, and served as an effective way of communicating to any BoC fans that there might something interesting inside. I've seen lots of other stuff posted to MeFi that does not have particularly detailed descriptions of what's inside the associated links.
Surely the post wasn't deleted simply for having all the links after the jump?
Cortex's deletion reason for removing this post is given as a "stuntish abuse of the guidelines". I checked the guidelines, which say:
"A good post to MetaFilter is something that meets the following criteria: most people haven't seen it before, there is something interesting about the content on the page, and it might warrant discussion from others."
The BoC post seems to meet all three, iss not newsfilter, is not axe-grindy, and is not offensive content. The post description is taken from a lyric from one of their songs, and served as an effective way of communicating to any BoC fans that there might something interesting inside. I've seen lots of other stuff posted to MeFi that does not have particularly detailed descriptions of what's inside the associated links.
Surely the post wasn't deleted simply for having all the links after the jump?
Guideline: Make sure you're linking to something on the web.
The FPP had no links at all on the front page, which is creative and cheeky but technically broke the guidleines.
Additionally, that front page was essentially an opinion about censorship only very tenuously related to the content of the post.
I hope bigmusic redoes and reposts it. A lot of work clearly went into the post.
posted by googly at 10:47 AM on November 25, 2007
The FPP had no links at all on the front page, which is creative and cheeky but technically broke the guidleines.
Additionally, that front page was essentially an opinion about censorship only very tenuously related to the content of the post.
I hope bigmusic redoes and reposts it. A lot of work clearly went into the post.
posted by googly at 10:47 AM on November 25, 2007
I thought it was a great post, but, even though I'm a big BoC fan, I thought that the group had been censored for some reason, and also wondered why there were no links on the front page. So it stands to reason that folks who are not familiar with BoC would probably find the post questionable in the context of MetaFilter, which is too bad, since it really was a great collection of BoC YouTube stuff.
Probably would have worked better on a BoC fan site, but MetaFilter is...so...much...more...than...that!
posted by KokuRyu at 10:49 AM on November 25, 2007
Probably would have worked better on a BoC fan site, but MetaFilter is...so...much...more...than...that!
posted by KokuRyu at 10:49 AM on November 25, 2007
Mod note: Also, a BoC post without "Don't Fear the Reaper", wtf?
NOT BOARDSIST
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:52 AM on November 25, 2007 [1 favorite]
NOT BOARDSIST
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:52 AM on November 25, 2007 [1 favorite]
Hah. I was really hoping this was all about Blue Oyster Cult, too. Way to piss in my cornflakes.
BÖC is better than BoC.
Discuss.
posted by jonmc at 11:00 AM on November 25, 2007
BÖC is better than BoC.
Discuss.
posted by jonmc at 11:00 AM on November 25, 2007
Googly -- the frontpage part was not an opinion piece about censorship, it was a lyric lifted directly from one of the songs that were then linked to.
Anyway, good to know someone's had a chat with the poster and hopefully it will get reposted in a manner in which more people approve. I've been sending the deleted post to a bunch of people and it's got rave reviews, even from folks who have never listened to BoC before.
posted by modernnomad at 11:06 AM on November 25, 2007
Anyway, good to know someone's had a chat with the poster and hopefully it will get reposted in a manner in which more people approve. I've been sending the deleted post to a bunch of people and it's got rave reviews, even from folks who have never listened to BoC before.
posted by modernnomad at 11:06 AM on November 25, 2007
Bag of Crap?
Bandolier of Carrots?
Blinged-Out Cabbage?
posted by The Deej at 11:07 AM on November 25, 2007 [5 favorites]
Bandolier of Carrots?
Blinged-Out Cabbage?
posted by The Deej at 11:07 AM on November 25, 2007 [5 favorites]
served as an effective way of communicating to any BoC fans that there might be something interesting inside
That's yr problem right there, letting a very small subset of site users in on the fact that there could be a payoff to clicking.
posted by wemayfreeze at 11:15 AM on November 25, 2007
That's yr problem right there, letting a very small subset of site users in on the fact that there could be a payoff to clicking.
posted by wemayfreeze at 11:15 AM on November 25, 2007
That post was deleted for the following reason: Even if you post 77 YouTube videos, your favorite band still sucks.
posted by fandango_matt at 1:07 PM on November 25 [+] [!]
81 videos. And you still can't count.
posted by bigmusic at 11:16 AM on November 25, 2007
posted by fandango_matt at 1:07 PM on November 25 [+] [!]
81 videos. And you still can't count.
posted by bigmusic at 11:16 AM on November 25, 2007
the frontpage part was not an opinion piece about censorship
Or was it?
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 11:17 AM on November 25, 2007
Or was it?
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 11:17 AM on November 25, 2007
Lets be clear here. The reason this post was deleted was not because the uninitiated can't understand it, but because there was no link above the fold.
posted by bigmusic at 11:19 AM on November 25, 2007
posted by bigmusic at 11:19 AM on November 25, 2007
it was a lyric lifted directly from one of the songs that were then linked to
bears repeating. I thought it was a great post, and I don't really even like BoC very much. (or BOC either - Godzilla!)
I'm glad I use the lofi version of the front page, or I would have missed it. Nice post, nice style.
posted by mrgrimm at 11:22 AM on November 25, 2007
bears repeating. I thought it was a great post, and I don't really even like BoC very much. (or BOC either - Godzilla!)
I'm glad I use the lofi version of the front page, or I would have missed it. Nice post, nice style.
posted by mrgrimm at 11:22 AM on November 25, 2007
it was a lyric lifted directly from one of the songs that were then linked to
So what? How are we supposed to know that? I looked at what appeared to be an incoherent rant with no links and knew it was going to disappear. There's such a thing as being too clever with your post.
posted by languagehat at 11:29 AM on November 25, 2007 [5 favorites]
So what? How are we supposed to know that? I looked at what appeared to be an incoherent rant with no links and knew it was going to disappear. There's such a thing as being too clever with your post.
posted by languagehat at 11:29 AM on November 25, 2007 [5 favorites]
This thread shows how the Spectres of Tyranny and Mutation hover over us all.
posted by jonmc at 11:34 AM on November 25, 2007
posted by jonmc at 11:34 AM on November 25, 2007
Lets be clear here. The reason this post was deleted was not because the uninitiated can't understand it, but because there was no link above the fold.
Let's be clear, it was deleted because of bad timing, lack of link and the old "oh it's a quote from someone you never heard of except without the, you know, quote marks to make that point a little clearer" trope which never gets old.
I liked the post and hope you redo it in a way that makes it make sense as a MetaFilter post, but because there is such a rough and ready "your favorite band sucks" countermeme to music posts generally, it makes some sense to try to make your post about them seem like they are awesome not just a tactic of making some implicit point about... something.
With the lack of clear context people will infer their own and it's pretty obvious where cortex's mind and mine are this weekend. Be cool, repost, follow another rule or two. Thrive.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 11:49 AM on November 25, 2007
Let's be clear, it was deleted because of bad timing, lack of link and the old "oh it's a quote from someone you never heard of except without the, you know, quote marks to make that point a little clearer" trope which never gets old.
I liked the post and hope you redo it in a way that makes it make sense as a MetaFilter post, but because there is such a rough and ready "your favorite band sucks" countermeme to music posts generally, it makes some sense to try to make your post about them seem like they are awesome not just a tactic of making some implicit point about... something.
With the lack of clear context people will infer their own and it's pretty obvious where cortex's mind and mine are this weekend. Be cool, repost, follow another rule or two. Thrive.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 11:49 AM on November 25, 2007
BÖC is better than BoC.
Discuss.
Discuss? There is no discussion.
Considering I'm probably one of the few people here who has repeatedly listened to nearly everything by both bands...
...you're so fucking wrong it's depressingly pathetic, and I really feel deeply sorry for you that you live so far in the past that you can't wrap your mind around the present.
Get the fuck over it, Jon. Just because it doesn't have (obvious) guitars in it, doesn't mean it can't rock your world in a thousand different ways. Get the fuck over your pretentious self-presentation - you're only getting in the way of yourself, and the only one who cares is you.
Music is math, boyo. If there's one favorite, post-rock band of mine that I'd wish you could put aside your guitar-aesthetic wrongheadedness away over, if there's one band I deeply wished you could simply analyze the songwriting, the structures, the melodies of, and besides all that, the sheer enjoyability - Boards of Canada is it.
See, comparing Blue Oyster Cult to Boards of Canada is indeed an exercise in futility to begin with. It's like comparing Paleolithic Man to Atomic Age man. Which isn't to say that futurism for it's own sake is good - but to simply acknowledge that BOC is an ancestor of BoC.
Time moves forward. Tools change. The language changes. So do entire philosophies. History is remembered, recycled, reintegrated.
So, Boards of Canada isn't techno. It isn't new age synth music. Hell, it isn't even hip hop, trip hop, acid jazz or downtempo. It's not ambient, and it's not furniture music. It's way, way too structured and planned for experimental. It's not pop. I want to say that it's the closest thing to classical I've seen in decades - but it's not as simple as that, either.
As you may gather, they're one of my long-term favorites. They've been around a while, now. Yeah, they even achieved a bit of fame, maybe a bit of fortune. Yeah, annoying stoners listen to them, as do mild, mousy folks at dinner parties.
Forget all that. Just listen to it. Use good speakers and headphones - there's a lot of stuff in there that won't come out to play on a boombox. Play it just loud enough that you can feel the mids and lows clearly, so it reveals all the intense, complicated layers.
Hell, now I've got to play some for myself. All of it, methinks. I'm going to be here all day.
Orange.
posted by loquacious at 12:02 PM on November 25, 2007 [15 favorites]
Discuss.
Discuss? There is no discussion.
Considering I'm probably one of the few people here who has repeatedly listened to nearly everything by both bands...
...you're so fucking wrong it's depressingly pathetic, and I really feel deeply sorry for you that you live so far in the past that you can't wrap your mind around the present.
Get the fuck over it, Jon. Just because it doesn't have (obvious) guitars in it, doesn't mean it can't rock your world in a thousand different ways. Get the fuck over your pretentious self-presentation - you're only getting in the way of yourself, and the only one who cares is you.
Music is math, boyo. If there's one favorite, post-rock band of mine that I'd wish you could put aside your guitar-aesthetic wrongheadedness away over, if there's one band I deeply wished you could simply analyze the songwriting, the structures, the melodies of, and besides all that, the sheer enjoyability - Boards of Canada is it.
See, comparing Blue Oyster Cult to Boards of Canada is indeed an exercise in futility to begin with. It's like comparing Paleolithic Man to Atomic Age man. Which isn't to say that futurism for it's own sake is good - but to simply acknowledge that BOC is an ancestor of BoC.
Time moves forward. Tools change. The language changes. So do entire philosophies. History is remembered, recycled, reintegrated.
So, Boards of Canada isn't techno. It isn't new age synth music. Hell, it isn't even hip hop, trip hop, acid jazz or downtempo. It's not ambient, and it's not furniture music. It's way, way too structured and planned for experimental. It's not pop. I want to say that it's the closest thing to classical I've seen in decades - but it's not as simple as that, either.
As you may gather, they're one of my long-term favorites. They've been around a while, now. Yeah, they even achieved a bit of fame, maybe a bit of fortune. Yeah, annoying stoners listen to them, as do mild, mousy folks at dinner parties.
Forget all that. Just listen to it. Use good speakers and headphones - there's a lot of stuff in there that won't come out to play on a boombox. Play it just loud enough that you can feel the mids and lows clearly, so it reveals all the intense, complicated layers.
Hell, now I've got to play some for myself. All of it, methinks. I'm going to be here all day.
Orange.
posted by loquacious at 12:02 PM on November 25, 2007 [15 favorites]
Bigmusic, I liked the post. I'm bummed it couldn't stay.
Granted, I'm mostly insane, completely postmodern and as a neophile I take great delight and pleasure from being confused and surprised.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Ehehe. Yeah. That's right.
posted by loquacious at 12:09 PM on November 25, 2007
Granted, I'm mostly insane, completely postmodern and as a neophile I take great delight and pleasure from being confused and surprised.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Ehehe. Yeah. That's right.
posted by loquacious at 12:09 PM on November 25, 2007
jonmc writes "BÖC is better than BoC.
"Discuss."
You first.
posted by Bugbread at 12:18 PM on November 25, 2007 [2 favorites]
"Discuss."
You first.
posted by Bugbread at 12:18 PM on November 25, 2007 [2 favorites]
These posts are obviously very popular, but let me register one vote in favor of retiring the curated collection of music videos as front page post.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 12:43 PM on November 25, 2007 [4 favorites]
posted by monju_bosatsu at 12:43 PM on November 25, 2007 [4 favorites]
Anyway, he should have linked to the high quality version of dayvan cowboy.
posted by aubilenon at 1:04 PM on November 25, 2007
posted by aubilenon at 1:04 PM on November 25, 2007
To somebody not already familiar with Boards of Canada, there was nothing on the front page to indicate that the post was anything other than a linkless rant about censorship. The people who are already familiar with Boards of Canada are presumably perfectly capable of searching YouTube themselves. Terrible post. Next time, the following should go on the front page: something that explains that this post is a YouTube linkdump of songs by a group called "Boards of Canada". Perhaps a line or two about what kind of music they play or in what respect they are, in your opinion, good. If the censorship thing is in any respect relevant, link to a good story explaining what the hell that is about. Unless this is supposed to be only of interest to established fans of Boards of Canada, in which case perhaps a Boards of Canada fan forum would be a better place for this than MetaFilter.
Also, rather than 81 links in the "more inside", you could just link to a YouTube playlist for greater efficiency.
posted by nowonmai at 1:06 PM on November 25, 2007
Also, rather than 81 links in the "more inside", you could just link to a YouTube playlist for greater efficiency.
posted by nowonmai at 1:06 PM on November 25, 2007
Guideline: Make sure you're linking to something on the web.
He DID link to something on the web.
I'm not defending the post. I agree with the deletion. But is a "post" what's on the front page or the whole thing (including the "more inside")?
I actually made the same mistake a while back. I put a bunch of links inside but nothing on the front page. I was rebuked and told I was stupid for not noticing that all FFPs contain links. And I think the rebukers have a point. It was unobservant of me.
Still, for literal-thinkers like me, it might be best for the guidelines to be a more explicit. I definitely WOULD have moved a link to the front page if the guidelines had said that there must be one there.
posted by grumblebee at 1:08 PM on November 25, 2007 [1 favorite]
He DID link to something on the web.
I'm not defending the post. I agree with the deletion. But is a "post" what's on the front page or the whole thing (including the "more inside")?
I actually made the same mistake a while back. I put a bunch of links inside but nothing on the front page. I was rebuked and told I was stupid for not noticing that all FFPs contain links. And I think the rebukers have a point. It was unobservant of me.
Still, for literal-thinkers like me, it might be best for the guidelines to be a more explicit. I definitely WOULD have moved a link to the front page if the guidelines had said that there must be one there.
posted by grumblebee at 1:08 PM on November 25, 2007 [1 favorite]
What was Hobgoblin on about there ? Was that directed at a now removed comment or was he posting it in the wrong thread. Boy, I have done that in my time....
I have to agree with his sentiment there, however. I am so tired of people insulting other people by calling them bitches. I hate that word.
posted by y2karl at 1:17 PM on November 25, 2007
I have to agree with his sentiment there, however. I am so tired of people insulting other people by calling them bitches. I hate that word.
posted by y2karl at 1:17 PM on November 25, 2007
Anyone familiar with Boards of Canada would recognize "One Very Important Thought". Fantastic post, thanks for putting it all together.
posted by ageispolis at 1:21 PM on November 25, 2007
posted by ageispolis at 1:21 PM on November 25, 2007
Hah. I was really hoping this was all about Blue Oyster Cult, too. Way to piss in my cornflakes.
Whatever. This whole thing gives me a fever.
And the only prescription.
Is more cowbell.
posted by miss lynnster at 1:28 PM on November 25, 2007
Whatever. This whole thing gives me a fever.
And the only prescription.
Is more cowbell.
posted by miss lynnster at 1:28 PM on November 25, 2007
Googly -- the frontpage part was not an opinion piece about censorship, it was a lyric lifted directly from one of the songs that were then linked to.
You know, the funny thing is that I am a huge BOC fan. I own the CD that that quotation is on and have heard it numerous times. Despite this, when I first ran across the post, I still thought "random rant about censorship with a reference to a band I really like thrown in."
posted by googly at 1:30 PM on November 25, 2007
You know, the funny thing is that I am a huge BOC fan. I own the CD that that quotation is on and have heard it numerous times. Despite this, when I first ran across the post, I still thought "random rant about censorship with a reference to a band I really like thrown in."
posted by googly at 1:30 PM on November 25, 2007
What was Hobgoblin on about there ? Was that directed at a now removed comment or was he posting it in the wrong thread. Boy, I have done that in my time....
No, it was in response to scose, who wrote:
Great post bigmusic! And to anyone who complained: shut up, bitches. This link set is gold to any Boards of Canada fan. If you don't care, move on to the next post. Boo fucking hoo, wasted 30 seconds of your evening on an unexplained link.
More or less in response to Fandango_Matt and flapjax at mignight, and possibly to myself.
When I first saw the post, I thought: Meatbomb got banned when he tried to make an FPP with all the links on the inside.
posted by kisch mokusch at 1:35 PM on November 25, 2007
No, it was in response to scose, who wrote:
Great post bigmusic! And to anyone who complained: shut up, bitches. This link set is gold to any Boards of Canada fan. If you don't care, move on to the next post. Boo fucking hoo, wasted 30 seconds of your evening on an unexplained link.
More or less in response to Fandango_Matt and flapjax at mignight, and possibly to myself.
When I first saw the post, I thought: Meatbomb got banned when he tried to make an FPP with all the links on the inside.
posted by kisch mokusch at 1:35 PM on November 25, 2007
loq, I dig your funky vibe, and way back when I asked for some Electronica recommendations, I gave BoC a whirl. Did nothing for me, dude, sorry. We like what we like, and all the browbeating in the world won't change that.
See, comparing Blue Oyster Cult to Boards of Canada is indeed an exercise in futility to begin with. It's like comparing Paleolithic Man to Atomic Age man.
Well, the paleolithic part is a big aspect of their appeal to me. Loud riffs, big thumping drums, chant along choruses etc. Although BÖ are definitely more self-aware than most of their contemporaries (witness the goofiness and self-mockery of 'Godzilla' and 'Joan Crawford') the quality of the music shows that they still have an emotional attachment to what they do, so it never degenerates into snark
posted by jonmc at 1:53 PM on November 25, 2007
See, comparing Blue Oyster Cult to Boards of Canada is indeed an exercise in futility to begin with. It's like comparing Paleolithic Man to Atomic Age man.
Well, the paleolithic part is a big aspect of their appeal to me. Loud riffs, big thumping drums, chant along choruses etc. Although BÖ are definitely more self-aware than most of their contemporaries (witness the goofiness and self-mockery of 'Godzilla' and 'Joan Crawford') the quality of the music shows that they still have an emotional attachment to what they do, so it never degenerates into snark
posted by jonmc at 1:53 PM on November 25, 2007
Just put it in quotes and linkify a couple of the words. That's a great excerpt from a song by a great group, and makes a creative intro to a cool post. I'd like to see it on the FP permanently.
posted by poweredbybeard at 2:03 PM on November 25, 2007
posted by poweredbybeard at 2:03 PM on November 25, 2007
The only change the post needs is this:
posted by five fresh fish at 2:05 PM on November 25, 2007
Now that the show is over and we have jointly exercised our constitutional rights; we would like to leave you with one very important thought. Some time in the future, you may have the opportunity to serve as a juror in a censorship case or a so-called obscenity case. It would be wise to remember that the same people who would stop you from listening to Boards of Canada may be back next year to complain about a book, or even a TV program. If you can be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you can be told what to say or think. Defend your constitutionally-protected rights. No one else will do it for you. Thank you.Boards of Canada. Videos inside.Followed by, of course, the more-inside video list, which is bloody awesome.
posted by five fresh fish at 2:05 PM on November 25, 2007
Performance art!
He did it that way, it was "censored", we are talking about it here, and I am assuming it will be reposted.
posted by konolia at 2:05 PM on November 25, 2007
He did it that way, it was "censored", we are talking about it here, and I am assuming it will be reposted.
posted by konolia at 2:05 PM on November 25, 2007
er... where'd my HTML for [horizontal rule] go? Now it doesn't really make sense the way it's laid out. Bah humbug.
posted by five fresh fish at 2:06 PM on November 25, 2007
posted by five fresh fish at 2:06 PM on November 25, 2007
Also, when confronted by some who made harmless fart of a joke based on a band acronym calling them 'depressingly pathetic' and 'living in the past' for not fawning over your favorite band is not a terrific way to get someone to take you seriously.
Sorry if that sounds a little punchy but that comment contained a deadly combo of condescension and pomposity that just irked me. Not to mention, what's it to you what I listen to, anyway.
posted by jonmc at 2:11 PM on November 25, 2007
Sorry if that sounds a little punchy but that comment contained a deadly combo of condescension and pomposity that just irked me. Not to mention, what's it to you what I listen to, anyway.
posted by jonmc at 2:11 PM on November 25, 2007
what's it to you what I listen to, anyway
You're showing your age, jonmc. There's that long period of adolescence, starting at 12 or 13, where what music you listen to is more important than anything else. Hell, sporting the wrong radio station sticker was enough to get you punched in the face, or worse, called a fag.
I think this phase ends at about the time you start thinking about retirement savings plans.
So, in the spirit of the worldview, I say:
Blue Oyster Cult is totally gay. Fag.
posted by KokuRyu at 2:19 PM on November 25, 2007
You're showing your age, jonmc. There's that long period of adolescence, starting at 12 or 13, where what music you listen to is more important than anything else. Hell, sporting the wrong radio station sticker was enough to get you punched in the face, or worse, called a fag.
I think this phase ends at about the time you start thinking about retirement savings plans.
So, in the spirit of the worldview, I say:
Blue Oyster Cult is totally gay. Fag.
posted by KokuRyu at 2:19 PM on November 25, 2007
Sorry, jon, was just trying to speak to you in words I thought might resonate. It's not personal, was just trying to reach through the benumbing shell of language. I'm a bit punchy myself for personal reasons and the distinct but intentional lack of a certain legal addictive chemical in my brain.
/me parked in front of a stack of bi-amped speakers listening to most of the BoC library.
posted by loquacious at 2:24 PM on November 25, 2007
/me parked in front of a stack of bi-amped speakers listening to most of the BoC library.
posted by loquacious at 2:24 PM on November 25, 2007
Don't sweat it. We're a couple of old farts talking music is all.
*cranks live version of Monster Magnet's 'Space Lord'*
posted by jonmc at 2:26 PM on November 25, 2007
*cranks live version of Monster Magnet's 'Space Lord'*
posted by jonmc at 2:26 PM on November 25, 2007
Hell, sporting the wrong radio station sticker
WTF? You listen to the radio!?
FAG.
posted by loquacious at 2:37 PM on November 25, 2007
WTF? You listen to the radio!?
FAG.
posted by loquacious at 2:37 PM on November 25, 2007
Stop it. The fag-talk is thoroughly obnoxious and not as lulz for everyone else as it appears to be for you guys.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 2:48 PM on November 25, 2007 [6 favorites]
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 2:48 PM on November 25, 2007 [6 favorites]
I'd appreciate it if we can never use the words "fag" or "bitch" ever, for any reason. Thank you.
posted by puke & cry at 2:56 PM on November 25, 2007
posted by puke & cry at 2:56 PM on November 25, 2007
For the record, I did not use it, just to pre-empt yet another controversy breaking out with me at the center of it.
posted by jonmc at 2:59 PM on November 25, 2007
posted by jonmc at 2:59 PM on November 25, 2007
Yeah, I could have just left that out. I knew I should have, too. Damn lizard hindbrain just keeps on moving, sorry.
posted by loquacious at 3:00 PM on November 25, 2007
posted by loquacious at 3:00 PM on November 25, 2007
For the record, I did not use it...
For the record, I can read. Thanks loq.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 3:11 PM on November 25, 2007
For the record, I can read. Thanks loq.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 3:11 PM on November 25, 2007
For the record, I did not use it, just to pre-empt yet another controversy breaking out with me at the center of it.
No one said you did. Thanks for putting yourself in the center as always though.
posted by puke & cry at 3:13 PM on November 25, 2007
No one said you did. Thanks for putting yourself in the center as always though.
posted by puke & cry at 3:13 PM on November 25, 2007
Let's ride with the family down the street
By the courtesy of Fred's two feet
When you're with the Flintstones
Have a yabba dabba doo time
A dabba doo time
We'll have a gay old time
And speaking of anachronisms, a Flintstones Christmas is the one that always got me--them celebrating a holiday celebrating a birth thousands of years in the future.
posted by y2karl at 3:13 PM on November 25, 2007
By the courtesy of Fred's two feet
When you're with the Flintstones
Have a yabba dabba doo time
A dabba doo time
We'll have a gay old time
And speaking of anachronisms, a Flintstones Christmas is the one that always got me--them celebrating a holiday celebrating a birth thousands of years in the future.
posted by y2karl at 3:13 PM on November 25, 2007
y2karl
As kisch mokusch said above, that is what I was on about.
I'm trying to be part of the solution here. Saying something like I did in-thread but a dozen or more comments after the comment I objected to seems less than effective, but better than a flag. I'm thinking that if I come late to a thread, I'm better off flagging rather than possibly derailing. Sorry if this is a derail.
posted by Hobgoblin at 3:16 PM on November 25, 2007
As kisch mokusch said above, that is what I was on about.
I'm trying to be part of the solution here. Saying something like I did in-thread but a dozen or more comments after the comment I objected to seems less than effective, but better than a flag. I'm thinking that if I come late to a thread, I'm better off flagging rather than possibly derailing. Sorry if this is a derail.
posted by Hobgoblin at 3:16 PM on November 25, 2007
I'm really beginning to understnad why EB and quonsar hit that button. Thanks a lot.
posted by jonmc at 3:17 PM on November 25, 2007 [3 favorites]
posted by jonmc at 3:17 PM on November 25, 2007 [3 favorites]
I'm not being very clear. What I meant was that if I come very late to a thread, I think flagging beats a seemingly out-of-the-blue criticism. And I look for guidance in this area.
posted by Hobgoblin at 3:19 PM on November 25, 2007
posted by Hobgoblin at 3:19 PM on November 25, 2007
Thanks for putting yourself in the center as always though.
Is this really a good occasion for the same old sniping? I think jonmc's been a good sport lately and has shown admirable willingness to change his ways. How about we try a moratorium on the "your favorite MeFite sucks" for a while?
posted by languagehat at 3:29 PM on November 25, 2007 [3 favorites]
Is this really a good occasion for the same old sniping? I think jonmc's been a good sport lately and has shown admirable willingness to change his ways. How about we try a moratorium on the "your favorite MeFite sucks" for a while?
posted by languagehat at 3:29 PM on November 25, 2007 [3 favorites]
I don't even get what all the anti-jonmc stuff is about. When did he shit on your Christmas ham?
posted by nola at 3:34 PM on November 25, 2007
posted by nola at 3:34 PM on November 25, 2007
Actually, I shouldn't have said anything. It's just that with all the long, emotional, thorny MeTa threads this weekend, I had a vision of another one breaking out based on a conversation I was in and being in the shit again. Since I didn't actually say anything, I should've trusted the admins and STFU.
posted by jonmc at 3:40 PM on November 25, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by jonmc at 3:40 PM on November 25, 2007 [1 favorite]
ok, I'll try to lay off. I've been bitching about people here for too long I guess.
posted by puke & cry at 3:56 PM on November 25, 2007
posted by puke & cry at 3:56 PM on November 25, 2007
As kisch mokusch said above, that is what I was on about.
Yes, I see I missed that part of your comment--I need new glasses, for one thing, and to read in detail, for another. Well, I agreed with your sentiment. Like I said I hate the whole bitch and bitches thing. I hate the word and I hate the concept in any of it's many forms. I am so tired of reading it here.
posted by y2karl at 4:24 PM on November 25, 2007
Yes, I see I missed that part of your comment--I need new glasses, for one thing, and to read in detail, for another. Well, I agreed with your sentiment. Like I said I hate the whole bitch and bitches thing. I hate the word and I hate the concept in any of it's many forms. I am so tired of reading it here.
posted by y2karl at 4:24 PM on November 25, 2007
Great, now I want Christmas ham.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 4:26 PM on November 25, 2007
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 4:26 PM on November 25, 2007
All y'all need a stiff drink or toke, and then about an hour of BoC's electronica. Listen for the voices in the music.
posted by five fresh fish at 4:57 PM on November 25, 2007
posted by five fresh fish at 4:57 PM on November 25, 2007
I had several stiff drinks and I'm playing the live version of 'Intro/Sweet jane.' Diffrent strokes for different folks, old pal.
posted by jonmc at 5:03 PM on November 25, 2007
posted by jonmc at 5:03 PM on November 25, 2007
The post was deleted in large part for having all the links after the jump, and coming across as a weird, contextless political statement on the front page.
Ok, I agree with the weird, contextless political statement criticism. But links after the jump?
I thought every time we have a cryptic, no-explanation-provided set of links (I'm looking at you, hama7) a bunch of people in here flip out because "you're just too damn lazy to click on a link to find out what it's about" -- AND by that they apparently mean (as explained in several threads in the gray) also clicking on the thread link in order to see the tags by which you might figure out WTF the post is about.
So having to click on thread link because post is completely opaque otherwise = perfectly fine, you lazy bastard.
Having to click on thread link because the poster has courteously kept a laundry list of (admittedly yet another YT band tribute) links off the front page.
Sure. Ok.
posted by dreamsign at 5:14 PM on November 25, 2007
Ok, I agree with the weird, contextless political statement criticism. But links after the jump?
I thought every time we have a cryptic, no-explanation-provided set of links (I'm looking at you, hama7) a bunch of people in here flip out because "you're just too damn lazy to click on a link to find out what it's about" -- AND by that they apparently mean (as explained in several threads in the gray) also clicking on the thread link in order to see the tags by which you might figure out WTF the post is about.
So having to click on thread link because post is completely opaque otherwise = perfectly fine, you lazy bastard.
Having to click on thread link because the poster has courteously kept a laundry list of (admittedly yet another YT band tribute) links off the front page.
Sure. Ok.
posted by dreamsign at 5:14 PM on November 25, 2007
2 comments:
jonmc tends to say stuff like 'there is no discussion' as a joke. No minority target group, if anything it's self-effacing - ironically pompous. If you don't like it - maybe ignore it: it ain't that provocative. Now let's never speak of him again!
Also - seconding the 'gay'/fag callout. So pathetic and peurile. No other words in your little thesaurus?
posted by dash_slot- at 5:25 PM on November 25, 2007
jonmc tends to say stuff like 'there is no discussion' as a joke. No minority target group, if anything it's self-effacing - ironically pompous. If you don't like it - maybe ignore it: it ain't that provocative. Now let's never speak of him again!
Also - seconding the 'gay'/fag callout. So pathetic and peurile. No other words in your little thesaurus?
posted by dash_slot- at 5:25 PM on November 25, 2007
Of course now I remember that our mods were the recipients of vociferous complaints regarding irregular indentation so I don't know why anything surprises me around here anymore.
posted by dreamsign at 5:27 PM on November 25, 2007
posted by dreamsign at 5:27 PM on November 25, 2007
Oh... I get it.. Blue Oyster Cult would have been BOC, but this was BoC. These things can be awfully confsing.
posted by Chuckles at 6:07 PM on November 25, 2007
posted by Chuckles at 6:07 PM on November 25, 2007
I thought we were on to Flintstone stuff now. Probe is Turning-on the People! covered some tracks just recently, including the insane A night in Bedrock Forest [mp3].
posted by tellurian at 7:03 PM on November 25, 2007
posted by tellurian at 7:03 PM on November 25, 2007
Let's be clear: I really like starting out statements with 'Let's be clear'. Even if what follows is inconsequential drivel, it has the air of impartial authority. "I'm not advancing my agenda; I'm laying out the terms of the debate--our debate!", I can plausibly say. It gives me a little shiver just to think about it, I tell ya.
posted by Kwine at 7:27 PM on November 25, 2007 [2 favorites]
posted by Kwine at 7:27 PM on November 25, 2007 [2 favorites]
Metafilter: just trying to reach through the benumbing shell of language.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 9:44 PM on November 25, 2007
posted by flapjax at midnite at 9:44 PM on November 25, 2007
Let's be clear: If light passes through you, refracting but not reflecting nor scattering.
posted by five fresh fish at 9:49 PM on November 25, 2007 [2 favorites]
posted by five fresh fish at 9:49 PM on November 25, 2007 [2 favorites]
Surely the post wasn't deleted simply for having all the links after the jump?
Count your blessings. The last time I did that I got banned. And i wasn't even n trying to be cute, I was just ignorant about the "must be a link in front" rule.
posted by Meatbomb at 10:09 PM on November 25, 2007
Count your blessings. The last time I did that I got banned. And i wasn't even n trying to be cute, I was just ignorant about the "must be a link in front" rule.
posted by Meatbomb at 10:09 PM on November 25, 2007
And on the subject of dressing up like failed Pepsi products for Halloween, let's be Clear.
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:12 PM on November 25, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:12 PM on November 25, 2007 [1 favorite]
This thread makes me feel like moving to a religious community in a beautiful place out in the country
posted by anthill at 11:47 PM on November 25, 2007
posted by anthill at 11:47 PM on November 25, 2007
Seriously though, modernnomad - you should work it, break it, use it, fix it, quick upgrade that post.
posted by anthill at 11:53 PM on November 25, 2007
posted by anthill at 11:53 PM on November 25, 2007
irregular indentation
These jokes about our British teeth keep slipping in. How about a new flag...
posted by dash_slot- at 1:07 AM on November 26, 2007
These jokes about our British teeth keep slipping in. How about a new flag...
posted by dash_slot- at 1:07 AM on November 26, 2007
The Big Book of British Smiles!
Are you in there, dash_slot? Next to David Bowie?*
*pre tooth-job David Bowie
posted by flapjax at midnite at 2:30 AM on November 26, 2007
Are you in there, dash_slot? Next to David Bowie?*
*pre tooth-job David Bowie
posted by flapjax at midnite at 2:30 AM on November 26, 2007
And there we go. All is well that ends well. (Though, bigmusic: I did change your link text on the front page to be only the first three words of the quote, as opposed to the whole damn paragraph—that sort of megalink is an eye-bleeder, oy.)
posted by cortex (staff) at 9:18 AM on November 26, 2007
posted by cortex (staff) at 9:18 AM on November 26, 2007
MetaFilter: yet another YT band tribute
I can't believe these things stay on the front page, but there they are. Meatbomb, you should go ahead and do the AC/DC post. It's all the rage, man! It's the new blue hotness or whatever the appropriate lingo is.
Quite tangentially, I went on a crusade against the use of "bitch" as an insult at one point. I was ultimately unsuccessful at purging it from even my own vocabulary, but at least the reasoning behind the attempt was interesting.
posted by Wolfdog at 11:50 AM on November 26, 2007
I can't believe these things stay on the front page, but there they are. Meatbomb, you should go ahead and do the AC/DC post. It's all the rage, man! It's the new blue hotness or whatever the appropriate lingo is.
Quite tangentially, I went on a crusade against the use of "bitch" as an insult at one point. I was ultimately unsuccessful at purging it from even my own vocabulary, but at least the reasoning behind the attempt was interesting.
posted by Wolfdog at 11:50 AM on November 26, 2007
I'm going to need, at the bare minimum, a Venn diagram showing the music of which jonmc and loquacious approve, and everything else.
Lets be clear. My Venn Diagram probably entirely encircles jonmc's Venn Diagram - for I do appreciate his taste and knowledge in music, and I've learned a bit from him besides.
Thus, inherently, his Venn Diagram is within mine. There's little he's recommended that I wouldn't listen to. I like old punk and rock, particularly the punk/alt stuff. I dig it.
There's little that my musical Venn diagram doesn't contain. I like everything from Ambient to Zydeco. I like bluegrass. I like blues. I like folk. I like jazz. I like hip hop. I like classical. I really like traditional music from around the world, particularly percussive stuff with chanting or dancing.
Actually, there's very little music I've met that I don't like. What I usually don't like is commercial, disposable pop. I don't like artistic falsehoods, I don't like crap, and I can tell when an artist is being impure and untrue to themselves. I am a truthsayer. Be true to yourself or face peril.
Basically, I like purity of essence and world peace.
posted by loquacious at 11:55 AM on November 26, 2007
Lets be clear. My Venn Diagram probably entirely encircles jonmc's Venn Diagram - for I do appreciate his taste and knowledge in music, and I've learned a bit from him besides.
Thus, inherently, his Venn Diagram is within mine. There's little he's recommended that I wouldn't listen to. I like old punk and rock, particularly the punk/alt stuff. I dig it.
There's little that my musical Venn diagram doesn't contain. I like everything from Ambient to Zydeco. I like bluegrass. I like blues. I like folk. I like jazz. I like hip hop. I like classical. I really like traditional music from around the world, particularly percussive stuff with chanting or dancing.
Actually, there's very little music I've met that I don't like. What I usually don't like is commercial, disposable pop. I don't like artistic falsehoods, I don't like crap, and I can tell when an artist is being impure and untrue to themselves. I am a truthsayer. Be true to yourself or face peril.
Basically, I like purity of essence and world peace.
posted by loquacious at 11:55 AM on November 26, 2007
Actually, there's very little music I've met that I don't like. What I usually don't like is commercial, disposable pop. I don't like artistic falsehoods, I don't like crap, and I can tell when an artist is being impure and untrue to themselves. I am a truthsayer. Be true to yourself or face peril.
This si probably where the irresistible force meets the immovable object. I believe that for the past century or do that the mass electronic media has existed, that artistic purity is a myth. So the whole 'authenticity' thing dosen't mean much to me, unless you're talking about emotional authenticity. Beyond that it's all as pointless about arguing why I like carrots and don't like string beans.
posted by jonmc at 12:19 PM on November 26, 2007
This si probably where the irresistible force meets the immovable object. I believe that for the past century or do that the mass electronic media has existed, that artistic purity is a myth. So the whole 'authenticity' thing dosen't mean much to me, unless you're talking about emotional authenticity. Beyond that it's all as pointless about arguing why I like carrots and don't like string beans.
posted by jonmc at 12:19 PM on November 26, 2007
There's little that my musical Venn diagram doesn't contain. I like everything from Ambient to Zydeco. I like bluegrass. I like blues. I like folk. I like jazz. I like hip hop. I like classical. I really like traditional music from around the world, particularly percussive stuff with chanting or dancing.
But do you like Peking opera? Be honest now!
posted by languagehat at 1:21 PM on November 26, 2007
But do you like Peking opera? Be honest now!
posted by languagehat at 1:21 PM on November 26, 2007
languagehat writes "But do you like Peking opera? Be honest now!"
This is where the True Scotsman Escape Clause works well:
"No, of course I don't like Peking opera. I said I like music!"
posted by Bugbread at 1:41 PM on November 26, 2007
This is where the True Scotsman Escape Clause works well:
"No, of course I don't like Peking opera. I said I like music!"
posted by Bugbread at 1:41 PM on November 26, 2007
But do you like Peking opera?
What's not to like? You've got your clangy, splashy Chinese gongs (the kind that deliver that characteristic upward bend, that delightful splu-waaaaaaaiiiiiinggg!), you've got your snakey, meandering melodies played by reed horns, flutes, strings and such, and you've got your bizarre 'where-the-hell-is-the-tonal-center' vocals that defy every law of western melodic theory in the book! All in all, it's fantastic!
Not to mention the back-flips and the neon makeup.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 3:37 PM on November 26, 2007
What's not to like? You've got your clangy, splashy Chinese gongs (the kind that deliver that characteristic upward bend, that delightful splu-waaaaaaaiiiiiinggg!), you've got your snakey, meandering melodies played by reed horns, flutes, strings and such, and you've got your bizarre 'where-the-hell-is-the-tonal-center' vocals that defy every law of western melodic theory in the book! All in all, it's fantastic!
Not to mention the back-flips and the neon makeup.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 3:37 PM on November 26, 2007
I like everything from Ambient to Zydeco.
Appalachian to Zouk?
posted by flapjax at midnite at 3:40 PM on November 26, 2007
Appalachian to Zouk?
posted by flapjax at midnite at 3:40 PM on November 26, 2007
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I've suggested that he rework the post to not be a site-defying no-link cypher and post it again in a day or two.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:42 AM on November 25, 2007