Ignore and move on already. October 31, 2005 8:28 AM Subscribe
Agreed. They demand the filter, then post noise anyway?
The argument for the tag, as I understood it, was that (1) it becomes easier for people to avoid NewsFilter posts; and (2) that will result in less noise and fewer derails. If those people are going to chime in either way, who cares whether it's to clap or complain? Why bother with the tag, then?
posted by cribcage at 8:48 AM on October 31, 2005
The argument for the tag, as I understood it, was that (1) it becomes easier for people to avoid NewsFilter posts; and (2) that will result in less noise and fewer derails. If those people are going to chime in either way, who cares whether it's to clap or complain? Why bother with the tag, then?
posted by cribcage at 8:48 AM on October 31, 2005
So, is the objection just that some people appear to both long for "newsfilter" tags and read newsfiltery threads? Because I don't see that being a problem.
But then, if the objection is to in-thread commentary on the use or lack thereof of a "newsfilter" tag, I suppose that's worth chewing on, but it doesn't seem inherently worse than tag-neutral "newsfilter!!!" comments.
posted by cortex at 8:49 AM on October 31, 2005
But then, if the objection is to in-thread commentary on the use or lack thereof of a "newsfilter" tag, I suppose that's worth chewing on, but it doesn't seem inherently worse than tag-neutral "newsfilter!!!" comments.
posted by cortex at 8:49 AM on October 31, 2005
(And a really optimistic take on NinjaPirate's comment is that in this, a period of transition toward use of the 'newsfilter' tag by some, advocates of such a system will make a little bit of appreciative noise; as the transitional period passes, so will such comments. Of course, that is as noted probably really optimistic.)
posted by cortex at 8:51 AM on October 31, 2005
posted by cortex at 8:51 AM on October 31, 2005
Commentary on website + people wanting to kill each other = me weirded out.
posted by Stauf at 9:01 AM on October 31, 2005
posted by Stauf at 9:01 AM on October 31, 2005
Maybe it's about time to stomp all over people who take a term and add "filter" to it. And. Maybe it's about time to stomp all over people who write things like "MetaFilter: [insert some rather trite but puke inducing phrase or whacked out bullshit- here].'
posted by gsb at 9:29 AM on October 31, 2005
posted by gsb at 9:29 AM on October 31, 2005
Metafilter: insert some rather trite but puke-inducing phrase or whacked-out bullshit here.
posted by cortex at 9:35 AM on October 31, 2005
posted by cortex at 9:35 AM on October 31, 2005
Wait... They weren't "demanding" anything. They were saying that it was a good post in the genre of "newsfilter."
Are you out of legitimate windmills to tilt at?
posted by klangklangston at 9:47 AM on October 31, 2005
Are you out of legitimate windmills to tilt at?
posted by klangklangston at 9:47 AM on October 31, 2005
Fake mathematical equations + sqrt( ambiguous reasoning ) = Complex shit
posted by Plutor at 9:52 AM on October 31, 2005
posted by Plutor at 9:52 AM on October 31, 2005
MetaFilter: Maybe it's about time to stomp all over people.
posted by LarryC at 10:06 AM on October 31, 2005
posted by LarryC at 10:06 AM on October 31, 2005
a little bit of appreciative noise
I think that about sums it up. Are we done?
posted by scarabic at 10:18 AM on October 31, 2005
I think that about sums it up. Are we done?
posted by scarabic at 10:18 AM on October 31, 2005
cortex: advocates of such a system will make a little bit of appreciative noise
Sure, and they should expect a well-meaning raspberry and bird-flip in return.
scarabic: Your thread-MCing doesn't make me want to puke all over you for once. Good job! In other words, I don't count the first link really as appreciatvie noise but just the same ol' fussy newsfilterhater noise.
posted by fleacircus at 10:30 AM on October 31, 2005
Sure, and they should expect a well-meaning raspberry and bird-flip in return.
scarabic: Your thread-MCing doesn't make me want to puke all over you for once. Good job! In other words, I don't count the first link really as appreciatvie noise but just the same ol' fussy newsfilterhater noise.
posted by fleacircus at 10:30 AM on October 31, 2005
Fake mathematical equations + sqrt( ambiguous reasoning ) = Complex shit
Ahh, so you're saying that (ambiguous reasoning) is negative. I'll buy that.
posted by eriko at 10:33 AM on October 31, 2005
Ahh, so you're saying that (ambiguous reasoning) is negative. I'll buy that.
posted by eriko at 10:33 AM on October 31, 2005
"scarabic: Your thread-MCing doesn't make me want to puke all over you for once. Good job! In other words, I don't count the first link really as appreciatvie noise but just the same ol' fussy newsfilterhater noise."
You don't count it as appreciative noise? Then you can't read. This callout is bunk. Please stop now.
posted by klangklangston at 10:35 AM on October 31, 2005
You don't count it as appreciative noise? Then you can't read. This callout is bunk. Please stop now.
posted by klangklangston at 10:35 AM on October 31, 2005
Jesus, you even stole my light-hearted threat of assassination for this piece-of-shit callout.
Man, you're having a bad Halloween.
posted by NinjaPirate at 10:36 AM on October 31, 2005
Man, you're having a bad Halloween.
posted by NinjaPirate at 10:36 AM on October 31, 2005
I was up at 2:00 AM HST when this broke on the CNN red banner. I figured somebody would have already posted it to Metafilter, but nobody had. I then figured that since it was going to get posted to Metafilter anyways, I would take a stab at posting it in a way that included multiple links (since I don't personally care for one link news items), that was as free from political slant as possible and that was labeled "Newsfilter," since that seems to be something a lot of folks appreciate. Never mind for the moment that a headline like "Alito nominated to Supreme Court" is sort of obviously Newsfilter.
Anyhow, this is the first time (that I can recall) that one of my FPPs resulted in a Metatalk thread, so I suppose this is something of an important milestone for me.
Thanks for the positive comments and (yes) for the negative ones, too. I will keep them all in mind when putting together my next FPP. Metafilter continues to rock.
posted by Joey Michaels at 10:41 AM on October 31, 2005
Anyhow, this is the first time (that I can recall) that one of my FPPs resulted in a Metatalk thread, so I suppose this is something of an important milestone for me.
Thanks for the positive comments and (yes) for the negative ones, too. I will keep them all in mind when putting together my next FPP. Metafilter continues to rock.
posted by Joey Michaels at 10:41 AM on October 31, 2005
I don't get this callout.
I think, as we've talked before, that the "Newsfilter"-issue (I don't like the term either) should probably be fixed on a global MeFi basis. Then again, we don't have Halloween here in the far north where I am at the moment.
posted by keijo at 10:43 AM on October 31, 2005
I think, as we've talked before, that the "Newsfilter"-issue (I don't like the term either) should probably be fixed on a global MeFi basis. Then again, we don't have Halloween here in the far north where I am at the moment.
posted by keijo at 10:43 AM on October 31, 2005
fleacircus - it's hard to tell what you're trying to say with all the parody of other people's comments. I know that it can be scary to make a callout and that incorporating some humor is a logical way to deflect that, but you should clarify just what this callout is about at this point.
posted by scarabic at 10:47 AM on October 31, 2005
posted by scarabic at 10:47 AM on October 31, 2005
Newsfilter is dead! Long live Newsfilter!
posted by blue_beetle at 10:49 AM on October 31, 2005
posted by blue_beetle at 10:49 AM on October 31, 2005
(to clarify my position, I appreciated Joey Michael's efforts to provide substance with the news story as well as attaching the "Newsfilter:" warning which was mentioned as an idea earlier in MeTa. My "noise" was a positive one.
cortex's optimism is well-founded)
posted by NinjaPirate at 10:52 AM on October 31, 2005
cortex's optimism is well-founded)
posted by NinjaPirate at 10:52 AM on October 31, 2005
I think Joey Michaels did rather a good job.
This callout is bullshit.
posted by adamvasco at 10:55 AM on October 31, 2005
This callout is bullshit.
posted by adamvasco at 10:55 AM on October 31, 2005
NinjaPirate: Oh it's not really a callout. I'm not saying NinjaPirate is some bad user. But I thought it would be nice if people who thought it would be neat to post "I'm glad you went through the trouble of marking this thread as something I don't want to read, as per the rather contentious agreement; nice work you boneheads" and other various such things could be aware that they could really stop doing that any time and not let the door hit them on the butt on the way out.
scarabic: It's basically what I just said. A couple people above understood it and agreed... If I misinterpreted some comments when they really meant "I liked newsfilter even before it was properly labelled and now I love it even more!" then that's my mistake and I feel dumb.
posted by fleacircus at 10:57 AM on October 31, 2005
scarabic: It's basically what I just said. A couple people above understood it and agreed... If I misinterpreted some comments when they really meant "I liked newsfilter even before it was properly labelled and now I love it even more!" then that's my mistake and I feel dumb.
posted by fleacircus at 10:57 AM on October 31, 2005
It's a joke. Come back when you grow a pair.
posted by substrate at 9:09 AM PST on October 31 [!]
It's a joke. Come back when you grow a pair. ;)
posted by Stauf at 1:29 PM on October 31, 2005
posted by substrate at 9:09 AM PST on October 31 [!]
It's a joke. Come back when you grow a pair. ;)
posted by Stauf at 1:29 PM on October 31, 2005
fleacircus, "I don't count the first link really as appreciatvie noise"
Well try to. Please.
Joey Michaels spent more time and effort creating a newsy MeFi post than he did copying and pasting the CNN link at it's heart, which is something nearly unheard of recently.
I had a real "dawn over the plains of MetaFilter" moment when I saw it: he made me smile making a post about American judges being appointed, and it wasn't because the content was any good, it was because he'd gone to the effort of making the post something of use.
In its own unreasonably expansive genre, Joey Michael's post is a good'un.
And I don't see why you have to use alan.spaulding's contentment to service your ends either - not all applause is sarcastic.
And congratulations on your first MeTa thread.
[applauds ambiguously]
posted by NinjaPirate at 1:51 PM on October 31, 2005
Well try to. Please.
Joey Michaels spent more time and effort creating a newsy MeFi post than he did copying and pasting the CNN link at it's heart, which is something nearly unheard of recently.
I had a real "dawn over the plains of MetaFilter" moment when I saw it: he made me smile making a post about American judges being appointed, and it wasn't because the content was any good, it was because he'd gone to the effort of making the post something of use.
In its own unreasonably expansive genre, Joey Michael's post is a good'un.
And I don't see why you have to use alan.spaulding's contentment to service your ends either - not all applause is sarcastic.
And congratulations on your first MeTa thread.
[applauds ambiguously]
posted by NinjaPirate at 1:51 PM on October 31, 2005
I don't understand, I thought the post was good. Math is hard.
posted by jessamyn at 2:03 PM on October 31, 2005
posted by jessamyn at 2:03 PM on October 31, 2005
I'm personally tickled that the ad hoc construction "appreciative noise" has carried so well through this thread. It may be a tepid and accidental meme, doomed to a quick extinction with the obsolescence of this thread, but it's mine, dammit, mine!
posted by cortex at 2:34 PM on October 31, 2005
posted by cortex at 2:34 PM on October 31, 2005
shades of "make an appreciative noise unto the Lord" and all that
posted by cortex at 2:34 PM on October 31, 2005
posted by cortex at 2:34 PM on October 31, 2005
so, post good. people who would otherwise have said something like "what the fuck! stop the newsfilter!" instead said, "I appreciate this post for [x] reason. good on you!" Isn't that an improvement?
actually, I'm not making that a question anymore. that IS an improvement.
this callout sucks.
posted by shmegegge at 2:37 PM on October 31, 2005
actually, I'm not making that a question anymore. that IS an improvement.
this callout sucks.
posted by shmegegge at 2:37 PM on October 31, 2005
No need to turn this thread into your mistake, fleacircus, let's just reframe it as your being happy about something instead of your calling out bad behavior.
Yay! Lemons into lemonade! Guts into chittlins! This thread is 100% pure snout!
posted by scarabic at 3:57 PM on October 31, 2005
Yay! Lemons into lemonade! Guts into chittlins! This thread is 100% pure snout!
posted by scarabic at 3:57 PM on October 31, 2005
What cortex said in his first two posts. Before it started going to his head ;)
Jeesus Louise-uss, people.
posted by uncanny hengeman at 4:00 PM on October 31, 2005
scarabic: Your thread-MCing doesn't make me want to puke all over you for once
as confusing as this whole thread is, fleacircus raises an excellent question -- when was scarabic promoted to "host" of MehTehTalk?
or is his authoritative tone not imbued with any actual authority?
i keed, i keed, but really dude, you're all over "the grey."
posted by Hat Maui at 5:27 PM on October 31, 2005
as confusing as this whole thread is, fleacircus raises an excellent question -- when was scarabic promoted to "host" of MehTehTalk?
or is his authoritative tone not imbued with any actual authority?
i keed, i keed, but really dude, you're all over "the grey."
posted by Hat Maui at 5:27 PM on October 31, 2005
when was scarabic promoted to "host" of MehTehTalk?
Dood. If that time ever comes you'd better RUN because mathowie will have utterly LOST IT.
dude, you're all over "the grey."
Oh I know it. I have had to enforce breaks. But I do find the internal dynamics here as interesting as the links. Moreso as time goes by...
Hm. My user page says 2602 comments in the Grey. Click it and it says 3137. I'm further gone than I thought. But more to the point: bug! I better post it in the Grey fast....
posted by scarabic at 5:43 PM on October 31, 2005
Dood. If that time ever comes you'd better RUN because mathowie will have utterly LOST IT.
dude, you're all over "the grey."
Oh I know it. I have had to enforce breaks. But I do find the internal dynamics here as interesting as the links. Moreso as time goes by...
Hm. My user page says 2602 comments in the Grey. Click it and it says 3137. I'm further gone than I thought. But more to the point: bug! I better post it in the Grey fast....
posted by scarabic at 5:43 PM on October 31, 2005
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posted by scarabic at 8:39 AM on October 31, 2005