can't click - no time - want mouseover August 30, 2011 8:01 PM Subscribe
Pony request: mouseover that shows who favorited a favorited comment. As opposed to having to click through to a list.
YES! I want this so bad! I've only hesitated to bring it up because of 1) the inevitable GRAR DON'T EVEN LOOK AT FAVORITES THE INTERNET IS NOT A CONTEST crap that comes up and 2) facebook does it and we're too hip for something like that.
But yes, I like this idea so much. Not necessarily the whole list of folks when there are, like, 40 favorites, but the first one or two would be awesome.
(I like to see who favorites what things because it gives me an idea as to different users' personalities, and I think that's a good thing.)
posted by phunniemee at 8:07 PM on August 30, 2011 [8 favorites]
But yes, I like this idea so much. Not necessarily the whole list of folks when there are, like, 40 favorites, but the first one or two would be awesome.
(I like to see who favorites what things because it gives me an idea as to different users' personalities, and I think that's a good thing.)
posted by phunniemee at 8:07 PM on August 30, 2011 [8 favorites]
I'm in favour of this, if only because I'm lazy.
posted by arcticseal at 8:08 PM on August 30, 2011 [3 favorites]
posted by arcticseal at 8:08 PM on August 30, 2011 [3 favorites]
grouse and Blazecock Pileon favorited this MeTa post so far. Sweetkid favorited oinopaponton's comment. That's the latest back to you Skip.
posted by not_on_display at 8:12 PM on August 30, 2011 [7 favorites]
posted by not_on_display at 8:12 PM on August 30, 2011 [7 favorites]
[this is good]
posted by mr_crash_davis at 8:13 PM on August 30, 2011 [3 favorites]
posted by mr_crash_davis at 8:13 PM on August 30, 2011 [3 favorites]
Pony Finessed: A clickable linked list? or just a list... because if you're trying to figure out a congruity in users that favorited something or whatever, the separate page lets you troll (fishing sense) through the list more easily.
posted by Cold Lurkey at 8:13 PM on August 30, 2011
posted by Cold Lurkey at 8:13 PM on August 30, 2011
It's been 13 minutes and pb hasn't got this done yet?
posted by cjorgensen at 8:14 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by cjorgensen at 8:14 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
Just give it a second. He's flying around the world backwards to reverse time so he can get it done yesterday.
posted by phunniemee at 8:17 PM on August 30, 2011 [4 favorites]
posted by phunniemee at 8:17 PM on August 30, 2011 [4 favorites]
Won't work on touch screens,therefore useless to me. I refuse to surf the web sitting up.
posted by Ad hominem at 8:21 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by Ad hominem at 8:21 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
It'd be a drag to do another table lookup just for an occasional mouseover use.
posted by donnagirl at 8:21 PM on August 30, 2011 [3 favorites]
posted by donnagirl at 8:21 PM on August 30, 2011 [3 favorites]
It'd be a drag to do another table lookup just for an occasional mouseover use.
Hey. That kind of thinking is so 2006.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:23 PM on August 30, 2011 [5 favorites]
Hey. That kind of thinking is so 2006.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:23 PM on August 30, 2011 [5 favorites]
That kind of thinking is so 2006.
Yes. Things are different now. We have the technology.
posted by grouse at 8:25 PM on August 30, 2011
Yes. Things are different now. We have the technology.
posted by grouse at 8:25 PM on August 30, 2011
grouse and Blazecock Pileon favorited this MeTa post so far.
Um, grouse unfavorited. And I hate that I had to click to find that out.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:28 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
Um, grouse unfavorited. And I hate that I had to click to find that out.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:28 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
There's always HowlsOfOutrage, a Greasemonkey script that does this very thing.
posted by divide_by_cucumber at 8:28 PM on August 30, 2011 [8 favorites]
posted by divide_by_cucumber at 8:28 PM on August 30, 2011 [8 favorites]
I agree it would be lame to just stick it in a hidden div or something. Add a REST API to check favorites on a comment, return JSON, then I write the dashboard app I have been dreaming of so I can watch my favorites in realtime. Then you can use the same API when someone mouses over a favorite count.
posted by Ad hominem at 8:29 PM on August 30, 2011
posted by Ad hominem at 8:29 PM on August 30, 2011
GRAR!!! DON'T EVEN LOOK AT FAVORITES THE INTERNET IS NOT A CONTEST!!!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:29 PM on August 30, 2011 [4 favorites]
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:29 PM on August 30, 2011 [4 favorites]
Um, grouse unfavorited.
I still think this is a great idea. I just usually unfavorite posts that I comment in so that they don't show up in both Recent Activity on My Posts and Comments and Recent Activity on My Favorites.
posted by grouse at 8:30 PM on August 30, 2011
I still think this is a great idea. I just usually unfavorite posts that I comment in so that they don't show up in both Recent Activity on My Posts and Comments and Recent Activity on My Favorites.
posted by grouse at 8:30 PM on August 30, 2011
Honestly, this really does feel like a "just click on the dang link when you need to know who favorited something" situation to me. Anybody who needs to do in-depth analysis of favoriting can spend some time with the Infodump; short of that, if you're checking so often that a clickthrough is a burden, you may just be checking too often.
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:32 PM on August 30, 2011 [11 favorites]
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:32 PM on August 30, 2011 [11 favorites]
I'd love to favorite that, Brandon Blatcher, but I get the feeling that you don't like favorites. I'll just have to give you a 'good job, sporto' instead.
posted by Ghidorah at 8:32 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by Ghidorah at 8:32 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
It'd be a drag to do another table lookup just for an occasional mouseover use.
Not if you don't do the lookup until the mouseover happens. Or make it a click to avoid unintended requests.
posted by sanko at 8:32 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
Not if you don't do the lookup until the mouseover happens. Or make it a click to avoid unintended requests.
posted by sanko at 8:32 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
Honestly, this really does feel like a "just click on the dang link when you need to know who favorited something" situation to me.
Howsabout a vote? I think you may be outnumbered in that opinion, is all.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:34 PM on August 30, 2011 [3 favorites]
Howsabout a vote? I think you may be outnumbered in that opinion, is all.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:34 PM on August 30, 2011 [3 favorites]
GRAR!!! DON'T EVEN LOOK AT FAVORITES THE INTERNET IS NOT A CONTEST!!!
Your words say no, but your exclamation points say LOLYES!!!
posted by phunniemee at 8:36 PM on August 30, 2011 [2 favorites]
Your words say no, but your exclamation points say LOLYES!!!
posted by phunniemee at 8:36 PM on August 30, 2011 [2 favorites]
How's about a revolution?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:36 PM on August 30, 2011
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:36 PM on August 30, 2011
Weh-eh-ell, you know... we all want to change the world.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:38 PM on August 30, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:38 PM on August 30, 2011 [2 favorites]
I agree with sanko, maybe sanko and I should touch base later and put together some user stories on this. We can schedule a kickoff for tomorrow am to task this out. I think I can dedicate one of my offshore resources to QA this but we are going to need a developer resource and a DBA resource.
Shouldn't be too hard since sanko and I already did all the work, the dev just needs to type it in. Can we see a POC next week? And schedule a roll to production the week after?
posted by Ad hominem at 8:40 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
Shouldn't be too hard since sanko and I already did all the work, the dev just needs to type it in. Can we see a POC next week? And schedule a roll to production the week after?
posted by Ad hominem at 8:40 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
"I'll just have to give you a 'good job, sporto' instead."
Sounds like dating, but cheerier.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:41 PM on August 30, 2011
Sounds like dating, but cheerier.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:41 PM on August 30, 2011
Howsabout a vote? I think you may be outnumbered in that opinion, is all.
We are frequently outnumbered. We are not voting.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 8:46 PM on August 30, 2011 [12 favorites]
We are frequently outnumbered. We are not voting.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 8:46 PM on August 30, 2011 [12 favorites]
We are frequently outnumbered. We are not voting.
Well, there you have it.
I'll close this up now.
really, sorry for asking
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:47 PM on August 30, 2011
Well, there you have it.
I'll close this up now.
really, sorry for asking
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:47 PM on August 30, 2011
Fine. Revolution it is then, once this tv show is over.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:48 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:48 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
hovering mouses!
I love when the links have descriptions, for example, y2karls. It's not really needed but they are nice for posts witha lot of links. They can be like little biblio-blurbs.
posted by clavdivs at 8:49 PM on August 30, 2011
I love when the links have descriptions, for example, y2karls. It's not really needed but they are nice for posts witha lot of links. They can be like little biblio-blurbs.
posted by clavdivs at 8:49 PM on August 30, 2011
What'cha watchin', BB?
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:49 PM on August 30, 2011
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:49 PM on August 30, 2011
I like the idea for real computers, but I spend increasing amounts of time using my smartphone for internet. So. Toys that I can't play with? Meh.
posted by bilabial at 8:49 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by bilabial at 8:49 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
And are pants needed for revolution?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:50 PM on August 30, 2011
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:50 PM on August 30, 2011
All,
After consulting with the business this idea simply does not fit in our current go-forward roadmap.
Ad hominem
posted by Ad hominem at 8:52 PM on August 30, 2011
After consulting with the business this idea simply does not fit in our current go-forward roadmap.
Ad hominem
posted by Ad hominem at 8:52 PM on August 30, 2011
And are pants needed for revolution?
Hmm... got a fish in 'em?
What's kinda funny, though, is that there's already a mouseover there. When we see, for example, [1 favorite], the mouseover helpfully informs us that there is... 1 favorite! This I've found to be very helpful. I can see where you wouldn't want to add usernames there, though. Yeah, I can see that.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:54 PM on August 30, 2011
Hmm... got a fish in 'em?
What's kinda funny, though, is that there's already a mouseover there. When we see, for example, [1 favorite], the mouseover helpfully informs us that there is... 1 favorite! This I've found to be very helpful. I can see where you wouldn't want to add usernames there, though. Yeah, I can see that.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:54 PM on August 30, 2011
Guys install HowlsOfOutrage. It is exactly this. Exactly.
posted by shakespeherian at 8:56 PM on August 30, 2011
posted by shakespeherian at 8:56 PM on August 30, 2011
I'd like to have a mouse over for some cheese.
posted by mmmbacon at 8:56 PM on August 30, 2011 [8 favorites]
posted by mmmbacon at 8:56 PM on August 30, 2011 [8 favorites]
I've got 25,000 favorites*. How many have you got?
See, pal, that's who I am. And you're nothing.
* both accounts totaled
posted by Trurl at 8:56 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
See, pal, that's who I am. And you're nothing.
* both accounts totaled
posted by Trurl at 8:56 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
That whole hovering over '7 favorites' to discover that '7 users marked this as a favorite' is indeed lame.
posted by unSane at 8:57 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by unSane at 8:57 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
cortex: "if you're checking so often that a clickthrough is a burden, you may just be checking too often."
So is the objection to this pony request: (1) that it's not worth spending time coding/devoting server resources for something that is too minimal a need; (2) that not having this feature minimizes unwanted behavior (i.e., over-checking); (3) some combination of both; or (4) something else?
posted by Conrad Cornelius o'Donald o'Dell at 9:01 PM on August 30, 2011 [2 favorites]
So is the objection to this pony request: (1) that it's not worth spending time coding/devoting server resources for something that is too minimal a need; (2) that not having this feature minimizes unwanted behavior (i.e., over-checking); (3) some combination of both; or (4) something else?
posted by Conrad Cornelius o'Donald o'Dell at 9:01 PM on August 30, 2011 [2 favorites]
HowlsOfOutrage
Well, I'm satisfied! (Except it would be pretty awesome if we could replace the "7 users marked this as a favorite" with "heee! I am so useless, why are you still reading this?")
posted by phunniemee at 9:02 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
Well, I'm satisfied! (Except it would be pretty awesome if we could replace the "7 users marked this as a favorite" with "heee! I am so useless, why are you still reading this?")
posted by phunniemee at 9:02 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
As a MeFite, I want to know who has favorited my comments.
posted by sanko at 9:06 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by sanko at 9:06 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
Oops, sorry... Acceptance criteria: I know who has favorited my comments but I didn't have to click to find out.
posted by sanko at 9:07 PM on August 30, 2011
posted by sanko at 9:07 PM on August 30, 2011
I just put a sticky note on my screen: "tehloki favourited this"
posted by UbuRoivas at 9:08 PM on August 30, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by UbuRoivas at 9:08 PM on August 30, 2011 [2 favorites]
I would love this feature, too. I hope that the community's apparent enthusiasm about this counts for something, and I'm surprised to see the mods shoot the idea down so quickly.
posted by dialetheia at 9:10 PM on August 30, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by dialetheia at 9:10 PM on August 30, 2011 [2 favorites]
HowlsOfOutrage is failing for me in Chrome 13.0.782.112 on Ubuntu. There's a quick red box, then just a blue dotted line hanging there. Ima poke around some, but. Unf. This could do me right.
I love when the links have descriptions, for example, y2karls. It's not really needed but they are nice for posts
They're like ah whole other dimension... man.
posted by carsonb at 9:23 PM on August 30, 2011
I love when the links have descriptions, for example, y2karls. It's not really needed but they are nice for posts
They're like ah whole other dimension... man.
posted by carsonb at 9:23 PM on August 30, 2011
In the flow of debate, a favorite between interlocutors (as opposed to observers) usually denotes an extension of opinion. Such favorites help round out individual positions into group positions. As long as they're sequestered from the conversation by impracticability, that information is lost.
Anyway, I find the Howls of Outrage script to be very useful.
posted by troll at 9:28 PM on August 30, 2011
Anyway, I find the Howls of Outrage script to be very useful.
posted by troll at 9:28 PM on August 30, 2011
Howls of Outrage isn't working for me either, unfortunately (Chrome, Windows XP).
posted by dialetheia at 9:34 PM on August 30, 2011
posted by dialetheia at 9:34 PM on August 30, 2011
To be fair jessamyn didn't shoot this idea down, she just said there wasn't going to be a vote. She didn't express an opinion either way on the actual idea.
posted by cjorgensen at 9:40 PM on August 30, 2011
posted by cjorgensen at 9:40 PM on August 30, 2011
She didn't express an opinion either way on the actual idea.
I'd love to know what her opinion is.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 9:42 PM on August 30, 2011
I'd love to know what her opinion is.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 9:42 PM on August 30, 2011
And anyone/everyone else's, of course.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 9:42 PM on August 30, 2011
posted by flapjax at midnite at 9:42 PM on August 30, 2011
I'd love to know what her opinion is.
I feel that enabling even speedier access to who favorited your stuff is likely to make people talk about favorites and the meaning of who favorited what and why more than they already do, and already this is happening too much. There are many people who enjoy a MeFi that isn't constantly focused on favorites and many people who like them a lot. There is an unsteady tension between these groups of people. I personally would prefer to not build in any more things that enable more attention to favorites than the site already has. I feel that spending mod time on this implies certain things about how important we feel favorites are to how MeFi operates that are not true. I'm aware that this may just make me a huge grumpus, but you asked specifically what I think and that is pretty much it.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 9:48 PM on August 30, 2011 [14 favorites]
I feel that enabling even speedier access to who favorited your stuff is likely to make people talk about favorites and the meaning of who favorited what and why more than they already do, and already this is happening too much. There are many people who enjoy a MeFi that isn't constantly focused on favorites and many people who like them a lot. There is an unsteady tension between these groups of people. I personally would prefer to not build in any more things that enable more attention to favorites than the site already has. I feel that spending mod time on this implies certain things about how important we feel favorites are to how MeFi operates that are not true. I'm aware that this may just make me a huge grumpus, but you asked specifically what I think and that is pretty much it.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 9:48 PM on August 30, 2011 [14 favorites]
I had suggested this at one point. People responded with varying degrees of disdain, but at the end of the day, mdevore was working on a Greasemonkey script to add the functionality. I have no idea where it's currently at in development.
posted by SpacemanStix at 9:52 PM on August 30, 2011
posted by SpacemanStix at 9:52 PM on August 30, 2011
Pants are not needed.
If you do wear pants and they are cargo pants, you get a favorite.
If you bring a bottle of wine, you get a favorite.
If the wine is Carlo Rossi, you get a favorite.
If you've cleverly hidden that wine, you get a favorite.
If it's a cleverly hidden jug of Carlo Rossi, everyone gets a favorite!
posted by P.o.B. at 9:56 PM on August 30, 2011
If you do wear pants and they are cargo pants, you get a favorite.
If you bring a bottle of wine, you get a favorite.
If the wine is Carlo Rossi, you get a favorite.
If you've cleverly hidden that wine, you get a favorite.
If it's a cleverly hidden jug of Carlo Rossi, everyone gets a favorite!
posted by P.o.B. at 9:56 PM on August 30, 2011
Where it is at is that two people have already linked to the completed working script.
posted by mlis at 9:57 PM on August 30, 2011
posted by mlis at 9:57 PM on August 30, 2011
I would like a mouseover that shows this every time I get frustrated on the internet. And I would like a small, well-designed plaque with that text on it for when I get frustrated in real life. And I would like a statue - perhaps encrusted with massive amounts of diamonique or diamelle or at least a few thousand cubic zirconia - of a lyrebird clutching a scroll featuring that text and with "Best Thing On The Internet" engraved in 24 point Century Expanded Italic on the diminutive yet sturdy base.
As long as it's ponytime.
posted by mintcake! at 10:01 PM on August 30, 2011
As long as it's ponytime.
posted by mintcake! at 10:01 PM on August 30, 2011
Isn't The Huge Grumpus one of The Muppets?
Muppet? No, no. Roman emperor. Constantius I Grumpus (306-307 AD). He issued a decree banning favorites throughout the empire. The lions ate well that year.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 10:07 PM on August 30, 2011 [2 favorites]
Muppet? No, no. Roman emperor. Constantius I Grumpus (306-307 AD). He issued a decree banning favorites throughout the empire. The lions ate well that year.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 10:07 PM on August 30, 2011 [2 favorites]
You're going to have to settle mintcake!, because all I've got is: a sharpie, a 2x4, a Bedazzler, and some Play-Doh.
Let's do this!
posted by P.o.B. at 10:09 PM on August 30, 2011 [3 favorites]
Let's do this!
posted by P.o.B. at 10:09 PM on August 30, 2011 [3 favorites]
Is there anyway to modify an existing rumpus room into a Grumpus room?
posted by Ghidorah at 10:09 PM on August 30, 2011
posted by Ghidorah at 10:09 PM on August 30, 2011
Yeah, I got that one Ghidorah. it's easy. We're gonna need about a gallon of dishwashing soap, a slip-and-slide, and as many buckets of water you can carry. It's going to be a long night.
posted by P.o.B. at 10:13 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by P.o.B. at 10:13 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
Anyone else need anything? I'm about to put pb out of a job.
posted by P.o.B. at 10:14 PM on August 30, 2011
posted by P.o.B. at 10:14 PM on August 30, 2011
can't click - no time - want mouseover -- If you don't have enough time to click a link, then what the fuck are you doing here, on a link site? Go cure cancer or something.
posted by crunchland at 10:35 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by crunchland at 10:35 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
Where it is at is that two people have already linked to the completed working script.
To be fair, multiple people have also indicated that the script does not actually work, at least in Chrome.
posted by dialetheia at 10:36 PM on August 30, 2011
To be fair, multiple people have also indicated that the script does not actually work, at least in Chrome.
posted by dialetheia at 10:36 PM on August 30, 2011
Anyone else need anything? I'm about to put pb out of a job.
Edit window!
posted by furiousxgeorge at 10:39 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
Edit window!
posted by furiousxgeorge at 10:39 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
If you don't have enough time to click a link, then what the fuck are you doing here, on a link site? Go cure cancer or something.
Yo, crunchland, jeez, lighten up, pal. The post headline was clearly jokey. Go cure cancer yourself.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 10:40 PM on August 30, 2011
Yo, crunchland, jeez, lighten up, pal. The post headline was clearly jokey. Go cure cancer yourself.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 10:40 PM on August 30, 2011
Let's just make favorites private.
posted by Eideteker at 10:45 PM on August 30, 2011 [4 favorites]
posted by Eideteker at 10:45 PM on August 30, 2011 [4 favorites]
We're gonna need a bigger pony.
posted by P.o.B. at 10:47 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by P.o.B. at 10:47 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
So is the objection to this pony request: (1) that it's not worth spending time coding/devoting server resources for something that is too minimal a need; (2) that not having this feature minimizes unwanted behavior (i.e., over-checking); (3) some combination of both; or (4) something else?
Number three, pretty much, with more focus on the second issue than the first. Jessamyn's explication upthread covers the bases well: the tension brought on by "let's have more enabling of talking/thinking about favorites vs. talking/thinking about conversation itself" is not, pure and good and enthusiastic intentions notwithstanding, something we really want to aim for. There's not really a need for even-more-speedy access to favoriting details; they're plenty accessible right now, very much so for any need that isn't premised on focusing way more regularly on Who Favorited That than we want people to be doing.
For the folks who really, really can't live without this feature, third-party scripting is a possible (and, it sounds like, actually realized) solution, so as with most ponies we've blinded it's more an issue of doing some more work yourself on the client side than being totally unable to get the feature you want.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:51 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
Number three, pretty much, with more focus on the second issue than the first. Jessamyn's explication upthread covers the bases well: the tension brought on by "let's have more enabling of talking/thinking about favorites vs. talking/thinking about conversation itself" is not, pure and good and enthusiastic intentions notwithstanding, something we really want to aim for. There's not really a need for even-more-speedy access to favoriting details; they're plenty accessible right now, very much so for any need that isn't premised on focusing way more regularly on Who Favorited That than we want people to be doing.
For the folks who really, really can't live without this feature, third-party scripting is a possible (and, it sounds like, actually realized) solution, so as with most ponies we've blinded it's more an issue of doing some more work yourself on the client side than being totally unable to get the feature you want.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:51 PM on August 30, 2011 [1 favorite]
Let's just make favorites private.
Thy have been tinkering with the upvotes on hacker news. Comments are still sorted by upvote, and if a comment is downvoted the text color changes slightly to a lighter color so it gradually if fades into the background color.
But you can only see the upvotes on your own comments. So I never know if I need to upvote something to keep it from fading into the background color. It is a mind fuck. So I never bother to upvote anything.
I only have like 200 karma over there, but I put blood sweat and tears into getting them.
posted by Ad hominem at 10:58 PM on August 30, 2011
Thy have been tinkering with the upvotes on hacker news. Comments are still sorted by upvote, and if a comment is downvoted the text color changes slightly to a lighter color so it gradually if fades into the background color.
But you can only see the upvotes on your own comments. So I never know if I need to upvote something to keep it from fading into the background color. It is a mind fuck. So I never bother to upvote anything.
I only have like 200 karma over there, but I put blood sweat and tears into getting them.
posted by Ad hominem at 10:58 PM on August 30, 2011
Is there anyway to modify an existing rumpus room into a Grumpus room?
You don't want to just appear in the Grumpus room. You have to figure out where the Grumpus is and fire from an adjacent room.
posted by homunculus at 11:48 PM on August 30, 2011
You don't want to just appear in the Grumpus room. You have to figure out where the Grumpus is and fire from an adjacent room.
posted by homunculus at 11:48 PM on August 30, 2011
My first reaction to this is two-fold and mostly leans on the resources side of things.
- it's a pretty deep query to do on every single comment in a thread. Even if it only fired on mouseover, it would take a few seconds to pull data
- it would be seldom used and virtually invisible to almost every user on the site. A lot of server resources with very little upside
- logistically, it's actually pretty difficult to display the data. A tooltip cuts off after x characters in most browsers, making this only half-work for a lot of users. If instead of a standard title tooltip it was a div layer that displayed, we'd have window/viewing problems for anything with more than a handful of comments.
If you're interested in who favorited something, just load the link in a new background tab and glance over at it after a few seconds. It's just too much work to provide this seemingly easy and low-tech feature.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 11:57 PM on August 30, 2011 [3 favorites]
- it's a pretty deep query to do on every single comment in a thread. Even if it only fired on mouseover, it would take a few seconds to pull data
- it would be seldom used and virtually invisible to almost every user on the site. A lot of server resources with very little upside
- logistically, it's actually pretty difficult to display the data. A tooltip cuts off after x characters in most browsers, making this only half-work for a lot of users. If instead of a standard title tooltip it was a div layer that displayed, we'd have window/viewing problems for anything with more than a handful of comments.
If you're interested in who favorited something, just load the link in a new background tab and glance over at it after a few seconds. It's just too much work to provide this seemingly easy and low-tech feature.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 11:57 PM on August 30, 2011 [3 favorites]
I think this is the part where I turn a Bag of Infinite Holding inside out.
posted by loquacious at 12:29 AM on August 31, 2011
posted by loquacious at 12:29 AM on August 31, 2011
I just installed Howls of Outrage. It took less than a minute. Easy peasy.
Thanks, Drive-by Cucumber!
posted by pH Indicating Socks at 12:32 AM on August 31, 2011
Thanks, Drive-by Cucumber!
posted by pH Indicating Socks at 12:32 AM on August 31, 2011
Howls of Outrage isn't working for me either, unfortunately (Chrome, Windows XP).
So, let me know. Seriously, this is one of the biggest problems for developers when writing simple scripts and extensions that they don't daily use themselves. The code typically deals with a static situation and tends to rot over time, plus the vast majority of users, past or potential, don't give error feedback. As a consequence, a problem can persist for weeks or months before the person who is (usually) the most familiar with the code and interested in fixing it twigs to the situation.
Bottom line: something that used to work doesn't, and you report it to the developer, you're a hero. Small 'h' limited-scope hero, but a hero nonetheless.
No guarantees after notice, of course. Hero rules still allow the developer to decline further effort.
Chrome, huh? Well, I still use the working GM version, mostly by virtue of never having bothered to disabled it, but looks like I'll have to fire Chrome back up for the site and see what's up. I do remember working around a quirk or two in Chrome to make the native extension work, hopefully that situation hasn't gotten worse. Well, at least it's not Safari, I think my developer certificate has expired.
Anyway, give me a day or three to get to it.
posted by mdevore at 12:34 AM on August 31, 2011 [5 favorites]
So, let me know. Seriously, this is one of the biggest problems for developers when writing simple scripts and extensions that they don't daily use themselves. The code typically deals with a static situation and tends to rot over time, plus the vast majority of users, past or potential, don't give error feedback. As a consequence, a problem can persist for weeks or months before the person who is (usually) the most familiar with the code and interested in fixing it twigs to the situation.
Bottom line: something that used to work doesn't, and you report it to the developer, you're a hero. Small 'h' limited-scope hero, but a hero nonetheless.
No guarantees after notice, of course. Hero rules still allow the developer to decline further effort.
Chrome, huh? Well, I still use the working GM version, mostly by virtue of never having bothered to disabled it, but looks like I'll have to fire Chrome back up for the site and see what's up. I do remember working around a quirk or two in Chrome to make the native extension work, hopefully that situation hasn't gotten worse. Well, at least it's not Safari, I think my developer certificate has expired.
Anyway, give me a day or three to get to it.
posted by mdevore at 12:34 AM on August 31, 2011 [5 favorites]
Instead of a mouse-over, what if the click through just doesn't navigate you away from the page? Like it brings up a little box with the info in it, but you remain on the page.
The main reason for the mouse-over suggestion would be to stay on the same page, so that should make that side happy. And it's as deep of a query as the current method is. There should be less server resources used for this actually, since the servers don't have to serve a whole additional page, just the bare facts.
posted by BurnChao at 12:44 AM on August 31, 2011 [2 favorites]
The main reason for the mouse-over suggestion would be to stay on the same page, so that should make that side happy. And it's as deep of a query as the current method is. There should be less server resources used for this actually, since the servers don't have to serve a whole additional page, just the bare facts.
posted by BurnChao at 12:44 AM on August 31, 2011 [2 favorites]
Anyway, give me a day or three to get to it.
After some further poking around, it looks like the native Chrome script linked here is working! I apologize for missing that link earlier, though it is kind of buried in a version update note. The version that wasn't working in Chrome is the one that is installed through the userscripts site by default.
In any event, thanks very much for the script!
posted by dialetheia at 12:45 AM on August 31, 2011
After some further poking around, it looks like the native Chrome script linked here is working! I apologize for missing that link earlier, though it is kind of buried in a version update note. The version that wasn't working in Chrome is the one that is installed through the userscripts site by default.
In any event, thanks very much for the script!
posted by dialetheia at 12:45 AM on August 31, 2011
What'cha watchin', BB?
And are pants needed for revolution?
I liked the first season, but by the middle of SE02 they were really stretching the premise... yeah, sure, salwar kameez, but shorts? Come on, shorts are a type of pants!
Has it improved lately? Maybe I should give it another chance.
posted by Meatbomb at 12:47 AM on August 31, 2011
And are pants needed for revolution?
I liked the first season, but by the middle of SE02 they were really stretching the premise... yeah, sure, salwar kameez, but shorts? Come on, shorts are a type of pants!
Has it improved lately? Maybe I should give it another chance.
posted by Meatbomb at 12:47 AM on August 31, 2011
mdevore, thank you in advance! I used Howls of Outrage on Firefox and it was great. I switched over the Chrome a few weeks ago and now the thing shows me a dotted line, but no names. It's such a tease yet I STILL FALL FOR IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.
posted by iamkimiam at 12:49 AM on August 31, 2011
posted by iamkimiam at 12:49 AM on August 31, 2011
Ahhh, and dialetheia's link takes me to a wonderfully working script. DAY IS MADE.
posted by iamkimiam at 12:51 AM on August 31, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by iamkimiam at 12:51 AM on August 31, 2011 [1 favorite]
Hmm, guess I should be more explicit in the userscripts description about the native Chrome extension and link, given that a lot of users just pull the existing GM scripts for Chrome. Well, that I can and will do in the next few minutes, a significant improvement from a day or three nebulous promise.
I won't even dwell on the fact that the GM script SHOULD work, but Chrome was being annoying.
posted by mdevore at 1:00 AM on August 31, 2011 [2 favorites]
I won't even dwell on the fact that the GM script SHOULD work, but Chrome was being annoying.
posted by mdevore at 1:00 AM on August 31, 2011 [2 favorites]
I like "Go cure cancer!" as a new Godwin.
It implies that the person has the intellectual ability to do something so miraculous as that (something that no one can really do) and that they have also the inclination to contribute to contribute to humanity in such a monumental way, if only they were not wasting time here with us. In short, that your opponent is Gandhi-Salk-Venter-Jesus, just slumming.
Can we all say that to each other all the time?
posted by pH Indicating Socks at 1:36 AM on August 31, 2011
It implies that the person has the intellectual ability to do something so miraculous as that (something that no one can really do) and that they have also the inclination to contribute to contribute to humanity in such a monumental way, if only they were not wasting time here with us. In short, that your opponent is Gandhi-Salk-Venter-Jesus, just slumming.
Can we all say that to each other all the time?
posted by pH Indicating Socks at 1:36 AM on August 31, 2011
"Go cure cancer!" would seem complimentary, but for the sarcastic voice. So, your opponent is Gandhi-Salk-Venter-Jesus-NOT.
posted by troll at 1:42 AM on August 31, 2011
posted by troll at 1:42 AM on August 31, 2011
Lalala I can't hear you.
posted by pH Indicating Socks at 1:48 AM on August 31, 2011
posted by pH Indicating Socks at 1:48 AM on August 31, 2011
Oh, hi y'all. Sorry to have been away from the thread for the last hour or so, but I took crunchland's advice and, well, I went and cured cancer.
Sold the cure to Monsanto, so I'm sure you'll all be reading about it soon!
posted by flapjax at midnite at 1:49 AM on August 31, 2011 [2 favorites]
Sold the cure to Monsanto, so I'm sure you'll all be reading about it soon!
posted by flapjax at midnite at 1:49 AM on August 31, 2011 [2 favorites]
Favorite this comment is you like voting for your favorite things.
posted by pracowity at 2:10 AM on August 31, 2011
posted by pracowity at 2:10 AM on August 31, 2011
But, now that it's clear that this pony ain't got no legs, and that cancer is cured and all, I'd just like to mention that... SHIT! Fourcheesemac disabled his account! His last site activity was on July 5. I just discovered that.
Fourcheese, if you happen to see this, get in touch, man. I was hoping to meet you IRL sometime.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 2:18 AM on August 31, 2011
Fourcheese, if you happen to see this, get in touch, man. I was hoping to meet you IRL sometime.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 2:18 AM on August 31, 2011
Since you got the big payday for curing cancer and all, that means you got the cash to make some "adjustments" around here.
Okay, here's what we need to do.
Knock down that wall, that wall and that one. All these separate Grumpus rooms are going to be merged into one.
Like Voltron. The Lion Voltron, not the Vehicle Voltron. The Vehicle one was nothing like an Electric Boogaloo. Could it breakdance on the ceiling? Nnoooooo! Psshhh!
After that we're gonna need some new felt on the fooseball tables, dispensers filled with various accoutrement, and let's go ahead and splash some of that slow color change paint on the walls. People can trip balls and make Metas about it.
Oh, and we're going to need new scanners.
posted by P.o.B. at 2:25 AM on August 31, 2011
Okay, here's what we need to do.
Knock down that wall, that wall and that one. All these separate Grumpus rooms are going to be merged into one.
Like Voltron. The Lion Voltron, not the Vehicle Voltron. The Vehicle one was nothing like an Electric Boogaloo. Could it breakdance on the ceiling? Nnoooooo! Psshhh!
After that we're gonna need some new felt on the fooseball tables, dispensers filled with various accoutrement, and let's go ahead and splash some of that slow color change paint on the walls. People can trip balls and make Metas about it.
Oh, and we're going to need new scanners.
posted by P.o.B. at 2:25 AM on August 31, 2011
This seems to be the kind of thing that could be done with an extension. I guess if someone used the code from the Footnotify safari and google chrome extension it should be fairly easy to code it up. The code could use a "more... link when the number of favourites got over a certain number.
posted by Another Fine Product From The Nonsense Factory at 2:31 AM on August 31, 2011
posted by Another Fine Product From The Nonsense Factory at 2:31 AM on August 31, 2011
Oh, and we're going to need new scanners.
OK, but y'all gotta bring your own cats.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 2:32 AM on August 31, 2011
OK, but y'all gotta bring your own cats.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 2:32 AM on August 31, 2011
To be fair jessamyn didn't shoot this idea down
Comparing and contrasting seasons 1 and 2 of Archer.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:15 AM on August 31, 2011
Comparing and contrasting seasons 1 and 2 of Archer.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:15 AM on August 31, 2011
I want a mouseover that sets flapjax's prose and occasional lyrics into sounding music. (I also want a pony-like soundfile every time someone asks for a pony.)
posted by Namlit at 4:50 AM on August 31, 2011
posted by Namlit at 4:50 AM on August 31, 2011
I also want a pony-like soundfile every time someone asks for a pony.
I want a pony where every time someone types the word pony, Ranbow Bright's sparkle rainbow horse comes galloping across the screen.
posted by phunniemee at 5:05 AM on August 31, 2011
I want a pony where every time someone types the word pony, Ranbow Bright's sparkle rainbow horse comes galloping across the screen.
posted by phunniemee at 5:05 AM on August 31, 2011
I want a mouseover that sets flapjax's prose and occasional lyrics into sounding music.
Well, it ain't a mouseover, but otherwise, that pretty much already exists...
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:25 AM on August 31, 2011
Well, it ain't a mouseover, but otherwise, that pretty much already exists...
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:25 AM on August 31, 2011
Sorry for the grar, flapjax. I guess I'm one of those on the other side of the "unsteady tension" when it comes to favorites. I'm gratified that if the mods refuse to consider any changes to the way favorites work in ways I consider positive (like making them private), they're also refusing to make enhancements in ways I consider negative.
Oh, and thanks for curing cancer. That was fast.
posted by crunchland at 5:26 AM on August 31, 2011 [1 favorite]
Oh, and thanks for curing cancer. That was fast.
posted by crunchland at 5:26 AM on August 31, 2011 [1 favorite]
Thanks for that, crunchland, made my evening!
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:28 AM on August 31, 2011
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:28 AM on August 31, 2011
(well, that and my daughter's NO SMOKING poster she made for school. It's really cute.)
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:29 AM on August 31, 2011
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:29 AM on August 31, 2011
ponies we've blinded
I'm glad that didn't link to anything having to do with Equus. Here's some advice: if you hear Equus is playing near you, and you are interested in a play that provides a disturbing look into a twisted psyche, and that does interesting and unusual things with staging and the use of human actors to represent horses in a sexual context, by all means, go, enjoy. If you are interested in a play with boobies because you are a college freshman, THERE ARE BETTER WAYS.
Though 15 years later, I know at least three people (besides myself) who you can totally creep out by softly chanting "eeeeeeeeeeeq" near them. So there's that.
posted by solotoro at 5:37 AM on August 31, 2011 [2 favorites]
I'm glad that didn't link to anything having to do with Equus. Here's some advice: if you hear Equus is playing near you, and you are interested in a play that provides a disturbing look into a twisted psyche, and that does interesting and unusual things with staging and the use of human actors to represent horses in a sexual context, by all means, go, enjoy. If you are interested in a play with boobies because you are a college freshman, THERE ARE BETTER WAYS.
Though 15 years later, I know at least three people (besides myself) who you can totally creep out by softly chanting "eeeeeeeeeeeq" near them. So there's that.
posted by solotoro at 5:37 AM on August 31, 2011 [2 favorites]
flapjax at midnite: "99But, now that it's clear that this pony ain't got no legs, and that cancer is cured and all, I'd just like to mention that... SHIT! Fourcheesemac disabled his account! His last site activity was on July 5. I just discovered that."
Yes. Over the discussion about the most recent Dawkins thread.
posted by zarq at 5:37 AM on August 31, 2011
Yes. Over the discussion about the most recent Dawkins thread.
posted by zarq at 5:37 AM on August 31, 2011
$("#FavoritesDialog").dialog({autoOpen:false});
$("#FavoritesDialog").dialog("open");
How about instead of a new page it's an inline popup when clicked?posted by blue_beetle at 6:06 AM on August 31, 2011
So, this comes up every now and then. As (i think) the first person to ask for it, I like to keep track of the various responses. Here they are for the record!
2006!
2007!
2010!
And finally shot down again for the fourth time today.
For what its worth, the script that mdevore wrote works fine.
posted by kev23f at 6:42 AM on August 31, 2011
2006!
2007!
2010!
And finally shot down again for the fourth time today.
For what its worth, the script that mdevore wrote works fine.
posted by kev23f at 6:42 AM on August 31, 2011
That whole hovering over '7 favorites' to discover that '7 users marked this as a favorite' is indeed lame.
No interest in a mouseover favorites list, but seriously, wtf is with this existing feature?
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 7:27 AM on August 31, 2011
No interest in a mouseover favorites list, but seriously, wtf is with this existing feature?
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 7:27 AM on August 31, 2011
No interest in a mouseover favorites list, but seriously, wtf is with this existing feature?
I assumed it was for the voice programs used by visually impaired people?
posted by elizardbits at 7:43 AM on August 31, 2011
I assumed it was for the voice programs used by visually impaired people?
posted by elizardbits at 7:43 AM on August 31, 2011
ponies we've blinded
I hope this doesn't become a thing here.
posted by mintcake! at 7:47 AM on August 31, 2011
I hope this doesn't become a thing here.
posted by mintcake! at 7:47 AM on August 31, 2011
Isn't The Huge Grumpus one of The Muppets?
I don't know about that, but it would make an excellent title on a business card.
posted by quin at 8:11 AM on August 31, 2011
I don't know about that, but it would make an excellent title on a business card.
posted by quin at 8:11 AM on August 31, 2011
wtf is with this existing feature?
There was a time when "favorite" wasn't necessarily a known term across the Web. People new to MetaFilter still might not know what it means. By hovering they learn that site members took some sort of action to make that number what it is. "7 favorites" by itself doesn't tell you very much. You get a little extra info on hovering that helps explain it.
posted by pb (staff) at 8:26 AM on August 31, 2011
There was a time when "favorite" wasn't necessarily a known term across the Web. People new to MetaFilter still might not know what it means. By hovering they learn that site members took some sort of action to make that number what it is. "7 favorites" by itself doesn't tell you very much. You get a little extra info on hovering that helps explain it.
posted by pb (staff) at 8:26 AM on August 31, 2011
The script that mdevore wrote works fine.
Sweet, thanks mdevore. I didn't get around to trying it the first time.
posted by SpacemanStix at 10:06 AM on August 31, 2011
Sweet, thanks mdevore. I didn't get around to trying it the first time.
posted by SpacemanStix at 10:06 AM on August 31, 2011
I want a mouseover to see who flagged a post. Because I'm keeping a list, man. I'm keeping a list.
posted by Decani at 10:59 AM on August 31, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by Decani at 10:59 AM on August 31, 2011 [1 favorite]
I thought the mouseover for number of favorites was added after the Great Favorites Experiment led to the Show/Hide/Obscure favorites user options, so that people obscuring favorites could still see absolute counts if they wanted to.
posted by EvaDestruction at 11:12 AM on August 31, 2011
posted by EvaDestruction at 11:12 AM on August 31, 2011
nah, we've always had that link title text in there: "x user(s) marked this as favorite". I just checked some old code to verify.
posted by pb (staff) at 11:18 AM on August 31, 2011
posted by pb (staff) at 11:18 AM on August 31, 2011
Thanks, pb. I guess I just never really noticed it prior to that.
posted by EvaDestruction at 11:32 AM on August 31, 2011
posted by EvaDestruction at 11:32 AM on August 31, 2011
You know that ajax feature to show new comments? I want my screen to be covered with a modal box every time a favorite is made/lost, along with scrolling the comment thread to that specific comment.
that way I can enter an active political/religious thread and use it as my screensaver
posted by davejay at 2:23 PM on August 31, 2011
that way I can enter an active political/religious thread and use it as my screensaver
posted by davejay at 2:23 PM on August 31, 2011
pb, just a note that if the tool tip is meant to be instructional in nature you might clarify that "x members marked this as a favorite," to help non-member users intuit why they don't have access to a mechanism for assigning favorites. Not all users are members.
posted by Jeff Howard at 3:09 PM on August 31, 2011
posted by Jeff Howard at 3:09 PM on August 31, 2011
True, but only members can update the site in any way. I get the distinction, but I think it's clear as is.
posted by pb (staff) at 3:21 PM on August 31, 2011
posted by pb (staff) at 3:21 PM on August 31, 2011
Everything is clear to the programmer doing the implementation. I don't particularly care about favorites and I'd never thought about this tool tip before now. It may not be important either way but please be aware of the bias that comes from knowing too much about how the code works. The phrase "I think it's clear as is" means almost nothing in that context. Something to watch out for, is all.
posted by Jeff Howard at 4:05 PM on August 31, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by Jeff Howard at 4:05 PM on August 31, 2011 [1 favorite]
heh, in that context I also can't do my job. I understand what you're saying, but obviously I disagree or I would never weigh in on decisions like this. The final decision doesn't rest with me and that's good.
posted by pb (staff) at 5:08 PM on August 31, 2011
posted by pb (staff) at 5:08 PM on August 31, 2011
Howsabout a vote? I think you may be outnumbered in that opinion, is all.
You're fooling yourself! We're living in a dictatorship!
posted by Deathalicious at 5:53 AM on September 1, 2011
You're fooling yourself! We're living in a dictatorship!
posted by Deathalicious at 5:53 AM on September 1, 2011
Favorites are clearly broken. I keep only getting favorites on my stupidest of comments. pls fix kthx
posted by Eideteker at 7:31 AM on September 2, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by Eideteker at 7:31 AM on September 2, 2011 [1 favorite]
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posted by oinopaponton at 8:05 PM on August 30, 2011 [20 favorites]